Every house and building in Goa has a story to tell: its Indian and Portuguese architectural influences, the reasons why some rooms were built, and the colorful lives of previous owners. Acclaimed author and heritage home expert Heta Pandit gives us an insight into the many wonders of a Goan house and the stories behind its unique architectural and social features.
How long did Heta search for the perfect Goan house? Did Goans add rooms simply to show off their wealth? What makes a house a ‘heritage home’? Is India doing enough to preserve Goa’s heritage? Tune in to find out!
Heta is a founding member of the Goa Heritage Action Group. She has written 10 books on Goan heritage. She is currently working on Stories from Goan Houses and a book titled Objects and Memories from Goa. She lives in Saligao with her dog Goru and a cat named Ginger.
Travel tip: On your next trip to Goa, chat with a friend or patrao while sitting on the balcão, the stone seats that you can find on the veranda of many Goan houses. Or ask around for the stories behind the quaint AirB&B cottage you’re staying in.
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Hosted by Clyde D’Souza. He is a creative director who has worked in TV, print, and digital. His book Susegad: The Goan Art Of Contentment captures Goa through conversations, memories, stories, recipes and much more. He lives between Mumbai and Goa and lives the Susegad lifestyle every day! Follow him on Instagram @clydedsouzaauthor.
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Clyde D'Souza 00:23
Hello and welcome to say God stories from Guam. I'm your host Clyde de Souza. I'm a three time published author, media professional, and a go on who loves everything about Guam. My latest book is called to say God, the golden out of contentment. In my podcast I chat with some famous and some of my favorite goals. And together we explore go beyond the speeches from Fany to follow Casa to cashews, come discover go like you've never done before. My guest today is acclaimed author hit up under Miss hetta is the author of several books on historic houses. She has also worked with Dr. Jane Goodall on a chimpanzee Research Station in Tanzania. Miss hetta has also managed the tea plantation in Kerala while she has a deep understanding about heritage homes having worked in the field of heritage conservation for over 25 years. She's done so much in her lifetime. I am completely mind blown. And therefore it's my privilege and honor honestly to have Miss hetta on sociedade stories podcast. Welcome to Seagal stories, ma'am.
Heta Pandit 01:42
Thank you, Clyde. It's a pleasure being on your show.
Clyde D'Souza 01:46
Thank you. So man, before we get into the entire interview, I want to give our listeners a sense of where you're talking to us from Goa. So can you just explain where in Goa you from and maybe your surroundings a bit please.
Heta Pandit 01:57
Actually I am in a village called Sally count as a li G O which is a North Goa district in the Toluca of birthdays.
Clyde D'Souza 02:06
Wow. Yeah, that's close to if I'm not mistaken. The Museum of Goa is also there, right?
Heta Pandit 02:11
Yes, museum OCO is in the pilin industrial estate and in facts about character and his family are mine. Practically my next door neighbors in Seleka. oh nine all live in San Diego. But the Museum of Goa is actually located in pilin.
Clyde D'Souza 02:27
Yes, yes, yes. Wow. Great. Okay, that's nice. And is it hot right now go? I'm sure it is. Right. It's sweltering.
Heta Pandit 02:36
But there's so much greenery in my village that we are blessed. Actually, I feel blessed. Don't feel the heat as much. Yeah,
Clyde D'Souza 02:45
that's great. Okay, so your book houses of GWA is considered a classic, a bible of sorts on heritage homes. Maybe you can just tell us a little bit about how the book came about, you know, how did you think of writing it? And what does the book have, which makes it such a great classic?
Heta Pandit 03:02
Before I get to the book, I think like I should tell you how I got into heritage, conservation, preservation and writing about heritage. Yes, please. I was working with Dr. Jane Goodall in Tanzania. And with my friends, I took a break and went to Zanzibar, which is an island across the water. And there we saw the Sultan's palace, and the harem and all of that. And that's when I realized the importance of built heritage, going back to Tanzania, the mainland, which was called Tanganyika once there were absolutely no remnants of the original African houses. Well, so that got me thinking, why are they no houses that belonged to the African chiefs? And then I realized that they were built off wattle and daub when they moved away the houses fell to termite attack. So houses to me at that moment became evidence of history. Then when I came to Bombay, I started documenting houses listing houses within tech help and with the help of the Indian Heritage Society of which I was joined honoree Secretary along with Mrs. feroza Goodridge. Then when I came to Munna I did a documentation of the houses the bungalows there the tea garden bungalows that gave rise to a book called a heritage guide to Kerala. Then when I came to go, my real work I think my life's mission began. And by chance, I happen to know babushka Dino was working in the Town and Country Planning Department here. Through him. I met Gera to Konya. And Gerardo is working on a book on houses of Cuba, and he needed some help to write the book, along with an architect who was working in Jarrett's office architect Annabel masquerade years. Now she is Annabelle Mascarenhas II Lopez, we put the book together, called it houses of cola. So that was the beginning. The book came out in 1998. And I'm surprised that people still remember it and keep it on their coffee tables. They still think of it as a classic and a Bible and it's still a reference book in libraries. And it's still a reference book for a lot of house owners in Guam.
Clyde D'Souza 05:28
Yeah, yeah. If I'm not mistaken, a lot of people look look at that as reference points or if they are building their own home. So are you also mentioned that you just simply walked up to people's houses and you just knocked on the doors, the houses that you found? Interesting. So tell us about that. And what are the kinds of houses that we can, you know, see in that book?
Heta Pandit 05:46
Well, I came on the second of July 1995. At that time, I knew exactly two people in Goa babushka, they know work for the Town and Country Planning Department. And I knew there is and Sato Alveda. And through them, I started looking at meeting people and so on. cerradas also built a network of house owners so had Annabelle but we were literally first timers. We were first researchers, we were first time designers. We were first time photographers, and this was Jarrett's first venture into publication. So you can imagine how raw we were, we were like babies in the woods. So I said, Let's just knock on people's doors and ask them if they will want to be in the in the book.
Clyde D'Souza 06:34
Do you think that now there is more awareness of heritage homes within Goa itself within the homeowners?
Heta Pandit 06:39
Yes. When I first came here, even people who in the part of the environmental movement, they would turn to me and said, heritage, what is heritage? What is this heritage you're talking about? So I had to explain that actually, heritage movement is very much part of the environmental movement, because we are telling people to recycle or upcycle the old homes, we are talking about conserving materials, we are protecting the houses so that people don't go out into the countryside and plunder the countryside and bring back new materials. So it's very much part of the environmental scene. It took some time but slowly, slowly, people did started valuing and appreciating their own homes.
Clyde D'Souza 07:23
Wow. You know, Mom, when I was growing up, my grandmother, she's from coal Valley, which is, you know, like a village in North Goa, right? And my memory very, very vague, but fond memories of that home was you know, it had a nice, long, large hall, you know, bedrooms or saw some full poster beds. But one thing I noticed about the home was that it was always a long corridor, whichever going homes I went to, it had like a long corridor. So do you think there's any reason for that? I mean, I'm just wondering about that, that typical kind of layout.
Heta Pandit 07:55
I think I know what you mean because a lot of the houses were built to the contour of the land. In those days you didn't excavate the land and flatten it like you'd run out. So you build to the contour of the land you build to the size of the plot, you build to the shape of the plot and then you built also to show off to your neighbors don't forget that very important and go add that one upmanship. You will get the all these factors combined. They were also very large, very grand houses. artifacts were bought first. Yeah. Oh purchase imported first and then homes were added on to accommodate this furniture, the chandeliers, these BRIC a BRAC these chests, you know and sofas and flooring and all of them. So there are many, many reasons. I mean, go on houses range from the small house with the little coal, what is called a very simple house with just a little bit of a Sopo and main living room and the kitchen areas at the back to the very grand mansion. So as you mentioned the corridor, the Rada and then there is what is called a das Aangan or ozone gun, which is like a central courtyard, which was an inside outside space, right, where men or women would take the air or take the sun without being exposed themselves.
Clyde D'Souza 09:27
Okay, interesting. So that was always at the back of the house right
Heta Pandit 09:31
at the back or it can be a central courtyard, also surrounded by a wraparound veranda and in Hindu homes that wraparound veranda was often called a VAs three. It was comfort used as a dining area,
Clyde D'Souza 09:45
ma'am is the is the Powerco go and thing is it a Portuguese architectural element?
Heta Pandit 09:50
It's an Indian feature. You see it right along the western course. You see it in Gujarat in Gujarat, its color orkla mood a while and in the offline Gojira because it's such a hot climate, they often had a H go or swing bench. Okay, so you could take the breeze in the absence of electricity before electricity came and there were no fans. So the Okhla or the balcom is really a Indian feature. You have them in some houses in in South also in South Karnataka, you have them in Tamil Nadu it is not according to me, Portuguese feature
Clyde D'Souza 10:32
and what would be then the Portuguese influence, you know, in a going on, I think the mother of pearl windows, could that be the one of the Portuguese influences?
Heta Pandit 10:41
Yeah, absolutely right mother of pearl shell windows, and also the columns, you know, sometimes in you see a very elaborate column outside on the balcony. That is definitely a European influence, only differences in Europe, you see classical columns, like the Corinthian columns or the ionic columns, Italianate design columns. But here, we didn't have that reference point to copy a Corinthian column or an ionic column. So we did our own thing. We just, we just modified it to suit us. It's supported the bulk cow roof, which is, if you see a go in house, you will think that the bulk cow is like an add on, it doesn't quite fit into the main house. Yeah, but these posts are columns. So pilasters they are definitely a European influence.
Clyde D'Souza 11:32
Okay, that's interesting. And also some of these homes have roosters right on top of the roof. And, and they also have their own story. So where did that come about? And why like a rooster? I mean, is there any reason for that?
Heta Pandit 11:44
Well, there are roosters. There are soldier boys that are that. Lions, right? Yeah.
Clyde D'Souza 11:54
So is it just a fancy just someone just came up with it? Or is there is some some story to that as well.
Heta Pandit 11:58
Sometimes there is a story to that. The rooster has got many theories. There is one school of thought where they think the rooster because it's the National Board of Portugal. And people who were loyal to the Portuguese government, they had a rooster they Oh, it was just a popular symbol. Right? Okay. It's called a female, a female. It's either on the gatepost or on the top of the roof. The other school of thought says that there is a story actually, where a man is an innocent man is accused of a crime, and he's supposed to be hanged to the following day. Now that he goes and appeals to the god who's at dinner, and there's a rooster on the table, roasted, cooked. And he says, by my Dawn, if this rooster crows, then I will be proved innocent. And as it so happened, the story goes, that the rooster on the table cooked and roasted actually grows. And therefore this man's innocent is proclaim. So the rooster on the roof is also symbolic of, of dawn, of awakening, of enlightenment, of innocence.
Clyde D'Souza 13:10
That's so fascinating. I still always wonder, and now, I don't want that anymore. Thank you. Yeah, and now I read your book. There's more to life than a house in Goa. And you know, it's a lovely personal journey right from inheriting houses and Panchgani to the one in Bandra and then your own house in Goa. So if you don't mind, can you just share a little bit about about your own go and house? How did it come about? Where is it and what do you like most about it?
Heta Pandit 13:39
Well, the thing is that I had looked at 24 houses over 11 months. Wow. Looking for a house and one day I burst into tears. And my friend was sitting with me and he and I said I think God doesn't want me to have a house here because we've seen F they've seen every kind of house and my friend Nandan could checker helped me look and look and look every time we used to go window shopping for houses he'd be there. And this is not right that is not right. And so on went on and on and on for 11 months. Finally this friend I was having breakfast with said to me this. I know you don't believe in these things. But there is a big there is a big in in Conde village. If you go to him, he'll be able to tell you whether you're going to get the house. So totally on this believing total non believer in these things. I go up there and I meet caca Burt, and he's no more now he passed away six years ago. And I asked him so he first looks at my he asked me for my birthdate. And then he says to me, Okay, give me a minute. So then he goes around and he comes back and he says you'll never get married. So I said, Oh, I think I know that. But can you I didn't come for that. I came to ask you if I could get a house. Yeah. So he says all house. So then again, he says, I forgotten your birthdate. So I gave it to him. I said 25th, August 1954. So this, this, but gee, we just Genoa, you know, a sacred thread around his chest, and Dorothy walked around the entire temple, singing number 54 house with a bamboo door in the whole temple is empty. And as you know, I got to make my escape, come to a madhouse. And he comes back and he says, you will get your house on your birthday. And on my birthday, believe it. My agent called me up and he said, hit the drop everything you're doing, I think I found your house. And I came here and they didn't even have the keys. And I just had a quick peek through the window. I saw the flooring, and I fell in love with the house. And I said this is it. So my agent as broker asked me, Are you sure? I said yes. 100%?
Clyde D'Souza 16:16
Sure. And I remember in your book, you said something about the house being slightly odd in terms of its shape, or it was touching someone's wall or something like that I can't recollect now, but it's right
Heta Pandit 16:28
on the road. Road cuts through the house.
Clyde D'Souza 16:32
Yeah, correct. Correct. Which is why a lot of people were saying you shouldn't then you were like, No, you like it. That's what I remember reading.
Heta Pandit 16:38
Across the road is where I parked my car where I have my vegetable patch and where I have my little staff room for my house man. And I love it. I love it.
Clyde D'Souza 16:49
Amazing. So what is the what is the one thing about your home that you absolutely love as in which room or is this something? You know,
Heta Pandit 16:57
I like my room, which was formerly the kitchen. And I do believe that a kitchen is the heart and soul of a house any house big or small. And the kitchen is now my bedroom. So I converted it converted it the well is just by where I sleep where my head is. And they used to draw water from the well and use it directly into the kitchen in those days. Yes, yes. The sound of water by my head when I sleep. And I had to put in bathrooms though because this house had no toilets. No but yes, yes.
Clyde D'Souza 17:35
Yes. Everyone had it in the outside house. Yeah.
Heta Pandit 17:40
A lot of Parsi houses. They had it an outside. That's why in Parsi Gujarati it's called patch tomorrow means even to go to the toilet, you say I'm going to the patch barrel means the back. Oh, okay.
Clyde D'Souza 17:54
Okay, okay. Okay. Well, okay, that's interesting. So there was no word for bathroom as such, it was just going to the back, yard back. Back, right. So now, I mean, you have to go to your house and go finally, and all of that, which I mean, a lot of people dream about and which all sounds great and superb. But it's obviously a lot of hard work and everything right? In terms of maintenance. And you know, like you said, upcycling it and all that. So, what do you think were your pain and pleasure points about, you know, having a home and creating a home out of let's say, a house.
Heta Pandit 18:29
This house was not lived in for 10 years before I bought it. My previous owner had passed on 10 years ago, none of his nieces wanted to come down from America and Canada to look after it or to even put it on the market. They had asked a power of attorney holder based here to look for a client and they decided on a price and they said we can't be bothered. So then you can imagine the condition of the house. Very poor, very poor shape. But we put it together with Keita national cars help conservation architect, and we did it in record time. Nobody would dare to do it in three months. Three months, that's certainly months. We camped here with my Nepali cook. And we had five different kitchens going on. At the same time, the carpenters, the roofers, the painters, the flooring, furniture, people, everybody together, all of us living practically living in the house, and plumbing had to be put in electriss, electrical connections, everything had to be moved in. Yeah, I was fortunate that I had the same team who were you know, all professionally and socially related to one another. So they had been working together as a team. So there was so much understanding so much adjustments they made it was really amazing. And sometimes they said They'll call up from the village in up and say,
Clyde D'Souza 20:04
Well, yeah, that's, that's we. And you also mentioned that you know that you have a garden or a patch outside across the road. So you obviously also are into gardening or, you know, like plants and all that. So what do you have,
Heta Pandit 20:16
trying to do something I learned a little bit of permaculture from a friend who's an expert. I'm not very good at it yet, but at least it's, it's somewhat brings me a few things to the table, every now and then. And I'm quite happy with my little adventures in the garden.
Clyde D'Souza 20:36
And Ma'am, why are they called? I mean, like, what makes a home a heritage home? As in? Why does when does it get that tag? Is it is it a certain period of time? Is it architecture? What is it?
Heta Pandit 20:46
According to me, it's not period of time, we actually put a definition for the Bombay heritage regulations way back in 1995. And that definition means a building that has this is for built heritage, okay. So this book properties and sites, basically it should be of value to the community, okay, and what sort of value it can have historical value, architectural value, archaeological value, social value, cultural value, it can be associated with a person or an event, maybe the Constitution of India was written here, maybe the Maharashtra Gomantak Party was formed here, you know, all these things add to the history of a house. And also it can be of heritage value itself. It is not very important, but it's part of a cluster of other heritage houses or historic houses.
Clyde D'Souza 21:42
Okay, like the 14 years area in, for example, yes,
Heta Pandit 21:45
yes. Now, it by itself, it may not be the Taj Mahal, but in your village, your town, every town has a Taj Mahal in it. For example, in timeship, you say, take the adventure palace. Now, the ideal Chappelle is to a way to Bombay, for example, it may be just like any other house, but here, it's very important. It's called historic value, architectural value, archaeological value, social history, important for the community and so on. The Asia's oldest Medical College, the old GMC, for example, invention, right. That's, yeah, that by itself, it may not be so fantastic looking.
Clyde D'Souza 22:25
I think I think you've played a role in in concentrating.
Heta Pandit 22:29
Medical, right? Yes, a small role. But it only takes some historic event or some, you know, a little bit of effort on your part to point out to the government in power, that this is the importance of this house, because they don't know everything, and they're not supposed to know you are the expert. You have to bring it to their notice. After that, if it doesn't work. It's another matter, but at least you do your best. That is my message to everyone actually.
Clyde D'Souza 23:00
Right? Yes. You just have to know and you have to recognize and bring it to notice. To notice. Yeah, right. Yeah. So do you think that the government needs to? Or do you think that who needs to, you know, set these policies? Or what is it that what, what what do international communities do to kind of preserve it? And is God doing enough? Is India doing enough? What do you think?
Heta Pandit 23:21
No, neither India nor Goa is doing enough. In fact, we should have at central government level, oh, his policy for heritage buildings and sites, that includes natural also, like you have for wetlands now. But the wetlands has come because of international pressure. The same kind of pressure has not come for heritage buildings to India. Yeah. So that's why, you know, you see such devastating and very aggressive attacks on monumental buildings all over India.
Clyde D'Souza 23:57
Right. So they're like, does this UNESCO look into this? That's who the who looks into this as in? Or do we just, you know, like, give up our hands and say, Okay, it's the passage of time and we have to let it be.
Heta Pandit 24:08
So, first reason as I was saying, this is part of the environmental movements, why go out into the countryside and plunder it for materials use what you have recycled what you have, but and don't alienate your city. By building high rises, it high rises, replacing these monumental buildings, which are landmarks, they you are alienating the citizens. Citizens are then just going to lock themselves in, not come out. And that I see happening in Gaza right now. True.
Clyde D'Souza 24:44
Yes, absolutely. That's right. Yeah, we can only hope that I mean, more people get this kind of awareness and there's some change or some policies that are locked in. So I don't know how that that's going to happen. But there seems to be right now a real battle going on between the you know, The charming Goa that we all knew and loved and this new kind of haphazard development that seems to be happening, right. So true. Yeah, yeah. So now the the your latest book I want to talk a little bit about that it's called grinding stories retold write songs from Goa, in which I think it's about the overviews, which are songs sung by, right. And they used to sing the songs to kind of elevate their mood or make work light. Right. So just share a little bit about that book. What's in it.
Heta Pandit 25:32
Two books one was one came out in 2018. It's called grinding stories songs from GWA. And this new one, which came out in November last year 21 That is called grinding stories retold and what I did was actually I came upon it quite by chance, Dr. Rajendra Carriker and his wife Ponemah. And I went to a temple where they have this uniquely golden arch called curvy, which is done on the walls with red soil. And we were looking at the art and I was looking at this Garuda rescuing a king cobra, normally, Garuda, Eagle and Cobra are supposed to be enemies. But here was a very benign Garuda looking after looking at go king cobra with great compassion. So I asked Rajendra by what was the story behind it and he said, This is a narrative where the king cobra is drowning and the Garuda sees him drowning, picks him up. And he drives him out with his feathers and feeds him milk and honey. And so I said, but they're supposed to be enemies. So he said yes. But in GWA even if your enemies drowning, you rescue your enemy. Wow. So this, I'm still getting goosebumps when I'm telling you this, but it's this struck a chord in my, in my mind, you know, in my heart. And I asked him if this any anybody had documented these stories? And he said, No, nobody, I don't think anybody's documented. These are Ovios. These are songs sung at the grinding stone. And then we went deeper into it. I started meeting the storytellers. And I started documenting and learning from Bobby and his wife, Ponemah, and one of their students. And that's why it's translated them and published the first book. In 1684, there had been a band on singing in company. So the Catholic girls were not allowed to sing Ovios in company, and that's why this whole channel had gone underground.
Clyde D'Souza 27:43
And why were they not allowed to say was it because of the Portuguese or something?
Heta Pandit 27:46
Yeah. Yeah, one of the conversion things there was a ban on wedding flowers in your head there was abandoned speaking and company there was abandoned. alibis. Yes, there was a ban on singing wedding songs. There were there was a ban on singing morning songs. Right? Yeah,
Clyde D'Souza 28:06
yeah, I know that they they used to even ask Catholics to put salt in the rice, which is which is something that I didn't know that you know, that always put salt in the rice and then when I met Hindus, they would say no, you don't put salt on like what? Then I studied it and found out that that was one of the reasons so
Heta Pandit 28:24
also eating pork every day, he was expected to eat pork just to prove your status. So all these things are overuse went underground. And I imagined for for all this time that Catholic Ovios had disappeared. But I met Dr. Carlos Fernandez, who was a curator at the central library. And he said no, there is there is a group of ovo singers Catholic Gowda us who sing the still seeing the Oh views, and you should meet them. And then a new jail from the library came with me and we went and documented the Catholic overviews from the Christian Gafta community. So I may buy and all of her troop and all the same for us I translated those and then the second volume came out grinding stories retold.
Clyde D'Souza 29:16
Right Great so and how many how many songs are there and this is
Heta Pandit 29:22
the first one had 26 songs and the second volume has 14 Nine.
Clyde D'Souza 29:28
Okay, so the has anyone also captured them singing it? You know, as
Heta Pandit 29:33
you Okay, six of six of the songs we have a QR code in the book. You can go into your mobile and you can listen not just listen to the song, but you're actually taken to the storytellers house you see her perform. You see her sing in her own environment in her own kitchen with firewood and black and pots at the back and all the lovely
Clyde D'Souza 29:55
exciting. Yeah, that's that really sounds amazing. I am definitely buying the books while I definitely watch it as well. Wow, that's amazing. Now you've obviously done so much. So you've also written books on walking in guar. Right. And you've conducted many tours, one of them being the houses of guar tool, then you did something with soul traveling. And now you're doing the Walk Festival goer, right.
Heta Pandit 30:17
I'm not alone on this Walk Festival is quite an exciting coming together of several walking tour companies. Right many, many walking tours companies have come forward. They've joined us under our banner of NGO Heritage Action Group, which I founded along with my colleague who number Mascarenhas, and Rajesh and caulker, in 2001. And what we did was we, we have now launched this under our banner, GH ag panel, as well as with in collaboration with GCC I go Chamber of Commerce and Industry, and under the ages of the CCP corporation of the city of Punjab, and we are having a series of 15 walks over 14 days, that span from Heritage walks in compound to secret food trails, to sketch it on to art centers, two, three walks to medicine and plant walk to a signage walk. And lots of fun. We have one in Marga. Also, that Lynn Burnett to Miranda is doing. So this is going to be like a very exciting thing. But then after this, we want them to carry on with their own box. Yeah.
Clyde D'Souza 31:32
Sustainable, right. So nice to continue. Yeah,
Heta Pandit 31:35
yeah, they've been doing works on their own, but for the first time they all come together.
Clyde D'Souza 31:40
Right? It's under one umbrella on Instagram as well. Yeah. That does sound really good. Yeah. Yeah. So Mama now you've also you've told us so many things, and you are really a true blue storyteller? And you know, a conversation with you can stretch for hours, honestly. So yeah, you have such a great way of you know, just it's everything just comes to life. Weekend. Yeah. So now I'm obviously looking forward to the second edition, I would guess of houses of GWA. So is that currently what you're working on? Is there? Or is there another one of your many projects that you're working on? What what is what is currently occupying your
Heta Pandit 32:17
mind working on two projects and to book projects at the same time, one is objects and memories from go all the objects that have gone out of use now because electricity or the pace of life, and so on. So Ponemah characters written a book in Marathi, which I'm translating, and adding a little bit here and there too. And right now, we are busy working on stories from going houses. The release date is 30, November this year. And it's going to be released on my mother's birth centenary.
Clyde D'Souza 32:53
How lovely is that? That is great. So so it's not too long away, then we have to just wait this year. That's good. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. So I also wanted to ask you one question, which is generally I always ask people for their company phrase or term, you know, because I think one of the other ways to kind of fall in love and GWA is knowing the language a bit. So I'm quite sure you know, a fair bit of company now. So what would you say is like your favorite phrase or term that you like to use a company one?
Heta Pandit 33:26
Let There Be Love Morgan, Sunni.
Clyde D'Souza 33:29
That is amazing. The reason it's amazing is because that's my favorite phrase as well. And, and I always end every podcast with that, so Okay, great. Wow. That's, that's amazing. So thank you, man. meseta for coming on this storied podcast and likewise, more gasunie.
Heta Pandit 33:49
Thank you. They were able to come
Clyde D'Souza 33:53
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