Susegad Stories From Goa

1.05 What is moving to Goa really like? Separate the dream from reality with influencer Insia Lacewalla

June 03, 2022 Bound Podcasts Season 1 Episode 5
Susegad Stories From Goa
1.05 What is moving to Goa really like? Separate the dream from reality with influencer Insia Lacewalla
Show Notes Transcript

Most of us have dreamed about moving to Goa at least once in our lives. We think of leaving crowded cities and stressful jobs behind and living a more relaxed lifestyle. But what does reality look like? 

Insia moved from Mumbai to Goa during the pandemic. She shares the realities of adjusting to a quaint lifestyle after the hustle and bustle of city life. What are the biggest challenges she faced? Has this helped or harmed her career and personal life? What’s her opinion on the ongoing trend of everyone moving to Goa? How does this impact Goa’s heritage and environment? Tune in to find out!

Insia Lacewalla is the Founder of India With Insia, a curated platform for travel in India focusing on unique stays, regional cuisine and underground culture. She has built a community of like-minded travellers and homegrown brand enthusiasts. She did what many people dream of doing…leaving the hustle of the city and moving to sunny Susegad Goa. 

Travel tip: On your next trip to Goa, unleash your inner water spirit and go surfing or quarry diving. It’s more popular than you might think! 

Brought to you by Bound, a company that helps you grow through stories. Follow us @boundindia on all social platforms for updates on this podcast or take a look at their other podcasts.

Hosted by Clyde D’Souza. He is a creative director who has worked in TV, print, and digital. His book Susegad: The Goan Art Of Contentment captures Goa through conversations, memories, stories, recipes and much more. He lives between Mumbai and Goa and lives the Susegad lifestyle every day! Follow him on Instagram @clydedsouzaauthor

Produced by Aishwarya Javalgekar

Editing and soundtrack by Aditya Arya

Artwork by Artisto Designz

Brought to you by Bound, a company that helps you grow through stories. Follow us @boundindia on all social platforms for updates on this podcast or take a look at their other podcasts.

Hosted by Clyde D’Souza. He is a creative director who has worked in TV, print, and digital. His book Susegad: The Goan Art Of Contentment captures Goa through conversations, memories, stories, recipes and much more. He lives between Mumbai and Goa and lives the Susegad lifestyle every day! Follow him on Instagram @clydedsouzaauthor.

Clyde D'Souza  00:08

Hello and welcome to say Susegad Stories From Goa. I'm your host Clyde D'Souza. I'm a three time published author, media professional, and a go on who loves everything about God. My latest book is called to say God, the golden out of contentment. In my podcast I chat with some famous and some of my favorite guns. And together we explore go beyond this leeches from Fany to follow Casa to cashews, come discover gua like you've never done before. When you think of GWA you think of lovely lush greens and blue sky beaches. You think of digital detox and an offline vacation. But chilling is also a serious business and creating content around holidaying and travel is a full time job. On today's episode, we will meet a creator who moved from Mumbai to go out to create her own dream life. NCLs Allah is the founder of India with INSIA a curated platform for traveling India focusing on unique stays, regional cuisine and underground culture. She has built a community of like minded travelers and homegrown brand enthusiasts. Honestly, she did what many of us dream of doing leaving the hustle of the city and moving to Sonny's to say God GWA Welcome to Seagal stories in here.

Insia Lacewalla  01:39

Hi, thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to talk to you about travel and food and experiences, especially since we're talking about GWA.

Clyde D'Souza  01:51

Yes, awesome. I'm very excited to to to have you on the cigar stories podcast and your life does indeed look charming right now. So can you just tell us where you go? Are you talking to us from and maybe just a little bit about your surroundings?


Yeah, so I am actually talking to you from home right now, which is in a small village called circor. And I live between paddy fields and honble forest. So just to give you a feeler it's very, very green. Quite nice right now.

Clyde D'Souza  02:20

You said that there's this hornbill forest next to where you're saying,


that's right, actually, my living room balcony sort of shares a wall with that condo forest.

Clyde D'Souza  02:32

Wow, that's amazing. I mean, that must be beautiful in the mornings, or whatever, and all of that, right.


I have become an avid bird watcher, thanks to move into this house.

Clyde D'Souza  02:41

Amazing. That's super, you know, everybody's life goal, obviously to give up living in a Metro City and move to a place like go and that's exactly what you've done. So, you know, can you just tell us, how did that happen? How did it all come about? What was your eureka moment that made you say, Okay, I'm done with the city life and then moving to grow.


So I was done with Bombay quite a few years ago, I used to work in hospitality industry, a lot of food pop ups, festivals, markets experiences, and I was just churning out event after another. So I had reached a point where I was just like, I need to, you know, pause, I'm too young to burn out. And this was about I would say, maybe six, seven years ago now. And I moved, I moved to Rajasthan. And I was there for about four and a half, five years working on a few projects, setting up boutique hotels, don't keep projects and then obviously, you know, we all know what happened to the pandemic hidden in March 2020. I moved back to Bombay. I think moving back to Bombay at that point was also there was a lot of flux around us but I kind of came back and realized why I had left in the first place. I feel like Bombay is a fantastic city, it's you know, it's my hometown. But at the end of the day, I think all of us need to sort of have a work life balance and I was unable to achieve that in Bombay. Also, I think moving to Rajasthan meant I had gotten used to having a lot of space, big houses, you know, a big roads and I felt like Bombay felt a little more cramped. So after contemplating it for a couple of months, my sister and I decided that there was really no need to live in Bombay also it was the pandemic and everything was closed and so we decided we just you know, do something that we've always said we will do in five years or 10 years which was moved to go so we moved

Clyde D'Souza  04:33

Wow, that really sounds amazing, but it must have been a lot of hard work and a lot of pain as well right? Because you've obviously lived with lots of conveniences comforts, a fast paced life and Mumbai, in Bombay, Mumbai, whatever you want to call it, and you know, just you know, getting away from all of that it sounds a lot of thing that that sounds really easy, but it's it's really hard work right now, and a life changing decision. Right. So what was that kind of The Transition journey for you.


You're absolutely right. I think it was easier said than done even for us. It took some time to settle in, I don't think we were inconvenienced by not having the conveniences of home delivery. And you know, just everything a phone call away the change in the pace of life that kind of took a while to transition into a slower pace of life, having so much time to yourself that you need to self reflect, and you need to sit with your thoughts and be very comfortable with it. So I feel like that was quite a journey. For me. It was difficult for sure. But today, when I look back, I think it was necessary.

Clyde D'Souza  05:37

Right? So your brand is called India with NCR and I have to say, I love the logo. I love how that eye goes through it. And you know, it's India and NCR. It's such a beautiful logo. And so this this company of yours, India, Withernsea, did you come up with it? Like when you move to go out? Was it something that you were doing even before that? Because it focuses not just on travel and go up? But I guess regional cuisine travel across India, right. So will you can you tell us a little bit about India within see how would you come up with it? And what all does it entail?


You wouldn't believe it. But India with NCR was a premonition. I was, I had a dream. And the name came to me in the dream. And I kind of pictured the logo in my dream, I literally woke up from that dream and, you know, quickly like, like, ran to my computer and put it down. So I designed that logo and put that name down immediately. And it hasn't changed ever since. So it just I think it just came to me, which is why I feel like, obviously, you know, I've been I've been thinking about it so much, I think just my thoughts aligned in some way. So my background is primarily I used to run a small company in Bombay, it was called small fry. And I used to curate regional dining experiences, pop ups, food festivals. Because of that, I had a lot of access to people like home chefs or people who were just passionate to go. After finishing my stint with small fry after doing event after event. And when I moved to Jaipur to set up the hotels, I started traveling and when I was traveling in the country also I was you know going to stay at boutique hotels at Bnbs. Because I just want to know what there was in the industry that I was working in. And when I moved back to Bombay, during the pandemic, I was really itching to travel. And I realized that over time, I think everybody realized that we were not leaving the country for a while. So I was like, Okay, this is a great time to you know, just use everything that I have learned over the past few years about regional cuisine about boutique hotels, and sort of just create a platform for all these places, because unlike the larger hotels and stuff, or they don't have the resources to survive a pandemic, so the idea sort of germinated there. And, yeah, and that's how inadvertently I was born. And my idea was to create content. So if even if you look at the website, it's not really a blog, I think it's just informative. It's not reviews, it's guides and bucket lists of places to go to destinations to go to in India, you know, where you can stay what you can do, where you can buy stuff I

Clyde D'Souza  08:08

saw, I saw really some really interesting guides, like driving down the Konkan coast, or places to travel in India for women. Right? And they are quite detailed, like you said, so. So what how do you go about choosing these concepts? Is it just something that means something to you? And then you do it? Or how, what kind of research do you to come up with this, these guides,


usually what happens is that I'm in conversation with people, somebody's traveled somewhere. And because they know I do what I do people, you know, contribute the deadly every holiday that they went to, or something unique that they found when they were in a holiday. So I kind of clicked just keep my ears to the ground. And, you know, try to just constantly be aware of where people are going, what are they choosing to do. And I feel like over time, and also sort of, you know, built a knack to identify identify places on my own. So now I try to look at destinations that are lesser known, there are so many destinations that don't really show up on a tourist map, but have such beautiful and genuine cultural wealth to offer. So I try to build my content around that. It happens in two ways. One is where I feel like there is a really unique story somewhere and then I reach out to people in that place and talk to them and see how to build that story. The other is that because a lot of people know that I do this, they reach out to me and say that, hey, listen, we have a place or we're hosting an experience. And is this something that would interest you? And you know, we talk about it and we see if we can build content around it. So it's

Clyde D'Souza  09:43

like a it's like a two way things. Sometimes it is


yes. So I have a wall of posts and I just kind of you know, just keep every time I think of something I just write it on a poster and put it up and then I try to sort of assimilate the pieces. Try and see I do a lot of online research. I try to understand the destination. Keep everything really factual, so that it's convenient for somebody to travel. Is it safe for women, you know how to dress? What is the best time to go? What kind of weather you can expect? What kind of food especially you know, you know, dietary restrictions and stuff like that. So I tried to keep it as factual as possible. But I tried to build a narrative around the destination,

Clyde D'Souza  10:22

especially like the driving down the Konkan coast and how you went about it, by way, I think, if I'm not mistaken, is the same one that started where you start from Colaba, then you move from Barbados, and you just yeah, that was really nicely done. And especially nobody's done like the old because everybody drives down and you have to drive down the Konkan coast. Right, except that you don't go towards the coast as you near go as well. And that was quite a quite a nice, you know, guide that you had done. So what was what is the most unique fun of beat guide that that you like, or that is your favorite one.


Actually, my most the most offbeat one would be the ultra Kanagawa region guide, I really enjoyed that, because it was completely different from what I had planned to expect it. I also think the Konkan coast is something so simple and so accessible to people. I feel like that is something everybody in anybody can do, right? Because Southern Oregon particular polling, these are like beautiful destinations on the coast to go to and you know, with the influx of your saffron stays and your Airbnb ease, and your small boutique hotels and your parent breakfast, there is access to so many nice places to stay when you go to these places, you know, now you don't have to buy the record, you know, where will I stay? If I go to like a small town, right? I

Clyde D'Souza  11:40

think even the locals have kind of, you know, like hooked up to it. And now they kind of understand that that's part and that can be part of their livelihood. So have you also seen like some sort of change where, you know, like very, very local people kind of understanding that now, you know, tourism can be a part of their entire livelihood?


Absolutely. There are people who have homes in these places, and I put them up on like, for example, Airbnb.

Clyde D'Souza  12:04

So obviously, it was like the place that everybody thinks is just it's the best place to chill. And like you said, it does offer a good work life balance. Now that you've moved to go, do you think that you have a nice balance? Are you happy? Obviously you can you're a lovely and see a beautiful hornbill, so I'm sure it has, but how do you go from like, vacay mode to work mode, you know,


you know, the most beautiful thing about living in Goa is when you go on a holiday. And when you have to come back, you're like, Oh, I'm just going back to Goa, you're not going back to a big city. So there's a feeling of coming back from a holiday is no longer like, Oh God, my holiday is over and have to go back. So I think that's a holiday. Absolutely. And it's such a great feeling. And along with that, I think I feel like because I'm not spending so much time commuting or, you know, in a rush to get somewhere. I think that I have so much time to myself, I spent a lot of time on my own. And I think there are some sort of hard do's and don'ts that I have set up for myself, I like routine and I like everything to you know function in a way where I know that I'm able to maintain that balance. So when I wake up in the morning, I don't look at my phone, that's not like the first thing I do, which I would have, which I would have for the rest of my whole life. But I have actually a little clock in the room, you know that I look at to see what time it is and not on my phone. Once I wake up, the first thing I do is listen to music and make a cup of tea and sit in the balcony. And you know, just watch the birds see how much the landscape is changing every day. And then I literally get into work mode, you know very easily I get into work mode. It's not like I wake up and I'm like oh god you know, I have to check an email or I have to respond to text and being mindful about how I use technology to my benefit you know and not as a oh my god I have to look at this or you know,

Clyde D'Souza  13:59

scroll right from


absolutely as I go allows you to do that. Also, it's it's really conducive for people who are creative. There are such wonderful co working spaces and you can meet such interesting people and go I don't know the mindset is usually such where people are always open to have a conversation if even if you're alone sitting and working somewhere somebody come and a conversation will begin. So and I really enjoy that about this about the city.

Clyde D'Souza  14:27

Right so I mean, now because you are someone who was not originally from Goa and you move to go how was it mingling with with the locals and like like goons have this word I mean, now I don't know now I think they are a little more welcoming, but otherwise in some places they say hi there by means an outsider picked up on some company right? So so they said they're buying it as in that that person is from outside. So how did you kind of Yeah, how did you encounter this and what what was the ground reality of it and you know mingling with people getting your work done setting up the business No, how did that all work out?


I think I was very fortunate, honestly, I've had a wonderful support system. I had a couple of friends who lived here who I've known for over two decades. So I think they having them here was, you know, it was a grounding factor. I feel like, I don't find it very difficult to sort of have conversations with people just because of the, you know, the kind of business that I'm in. So I've not really been at a point where I felt like, Oh, I feel like an outsider. Not at all, I call myself a new settler, because that's why I'm and I know that all of us in the pandemic, who moved to Guam have sort of created an impact negatively and positively. And I know that, you know, sometimes, I remember I went to a garage in South Korea to just, you know, I think I had a flat tire or something like that. And I was able to route and the I was chatting with a garage owner while you guys were fixing my car, and because he saw my number plate, and I have a Rajastan number plate because I bought my car when I was there. And he's like, Are you from Rajastan? And I was like, Yes. And I live in the north. And I was like, Are you bothered by all of us who have moved here? And because he was really chatty, and he's like, yeah, he's like, we're hoping that this doesn't happen to the south user chill about it. But I understand. He's like, he was on it. And he's like, people come in, they destroy the landscape, you know, it's okay. If people come and build houses in the same style as the houses in the village and not building these fancy villas and big hotels and malls, then we understand because people are sort of adding to the economy, but you're they're just destroying the landscape. And I think that was his concern. And I see that right. Like when you know, you if you drive through Asana, and CLM, everything looks like a construction site right now. So I mean, respectfully, we have to accept the fact that yes, we are causing some kind of negative impact while we're here. Right, I

Clyde D'Souza  17:03

am, I've been speaking to, you know, several others as well for the podcasts. And there is a joke that someone mentioned that that cigar was currently being colonized by Delhi. But but the person also mentioned that there is a lot of, you know, productive, you know, not only from a financial point of view, but also productive, creative influence that's happening with NGO and a lot of them are adding to, to it. So there are like you said, there is the it's a double edged sword. And there are tools to look at it. So I guess as long as you respect the culture, you assimilate in a way that doesn't change the culture. Because if everybody changes the culture, then we won't like, you know, what would go I used to be already placed for that matter. So I think that's an important thing that you said, which is the assimilation but being mindful of the local culture. And yeah, so


I guess, yeah, I feel like a lot of people who've come in, especially because you mentioned creative people have really added to the culinary scape of of State. Today gua, I feel is the center. It's at the epicenter of culinary tourism, and kind of restaurants in the kind of cuisine that you can explore and go. It's fantastic. I don't think was like that

Clyde D'Souza  18:17

before. No, it wasn't. And definitely, that is something that there's a lot of the restaurants, the the chefs that have come there. They're definitely adding to that. And it's it's almost becoming like this culinary capital of India. It's very weird. But that's what seems to be happening. And I know a few people now who traveled to go, and their entire itinerary is just cuisine. That's it. Yeah. You know, yeah. Now, tell me about a tangible typical day in your life. I mean, is it is it everything that it's made out to be? Is it like, like you said, Okay, fine. The morning is, you know, listening to birds having your nice cup of chai, and then do you by buoy? Do you have a co working space that you go to?


So it's a mix? I, I like to work out of co working spaces when I need to think because I feel like at home, I get really lazy. And I just want to sit on my couch. And then it's hard to think so. I, I do work out of co working spaces. And that's primarily for creative stimulation. Otherwise, usually, it's a it's, you know, about 1030 in the morning to 630 in the evening, it's at home and with the lunch break and 20 minute nap in the afternoon after lunch. Really important. I mean, I have to really fit into the culture, right?

Clyde D'Souza  19:32

So absolutely. Yeah, see, you're assimilating


totally and it's, it's a great feeling. I think it's made me very, very productive. And I am a big film junkie. I love to watch shows and firms, all kinds of stuff and I love to read so I my evenings always usually that unless I'm out and I tend to eat dinner by 536 in the evening. So if I'm going out To eat, it's usually a lunch. And if it is in the evening, then it's on the weekend. But I'm an early eater, so I kind of like my day ends by 630. And then after that,

Clyde D'Souza  20:10

so the early dinner happen only in go, Oh, was it always that you that you had such an early dinner,


I was always trying it out. For a few years, I was I was giving it a shot. But I was unable to achieve it. Because just I think like my lifestyle and other cities didn't sort of it was just wasn't conducive. So I think, who has helped me do that, like very, very well made a big breakfast and eat a big lunch, and then I eat something at about 536. And then I'm kind of done and I don't feel like binging and I don't feel like snacking or any of those things.

Clyde D'Souza  20:42

Right. Wow. Okay, that's amazing. And what kind of a co working space do you go to? Is there something that you'd like to


Yeah, which is there are a couple of places I live between, literally between power and pan gym. So sometimes I go work out of Cafe rasa in panjin. And some times I work out of barefoot in para, so what I really like 1520 minutes away from my house. So it's super convenient.

Clyde D'Souza  21:04

Wow. And then do you find a lot of other creative people also who have moved there? Is there? Is there like a nice community that's that's building up of, of people who have also, you know?


Yeah, it's a lot of creative people and across the board. It's not just, you know, artists, but it's people in hospitality, as people in, you know, work in the digital world, whether there are all kinds of people who come to co working spaces, and that's, I think that's the charm of it.

Clyde D'Souza  21:33

Right? Wow. So what would be your advice for people who want to move to go and you know, set up life over there? What would you say to them? I'm sure you have these conversations with everybody. You guys talk about it and exchange notes. So yes, there are people listening to this podcast, you're probably thinking, Okay, I need to make that move to go out Kerala or puncture your wherever it is, you know, hopefully. But yeah, a lot of these idyllic supposedly ideal places. So


what I would say that, if you want to move, move, you know, if you're unhappy about where you are, that means it's time to move forward. And I think you should move and give it a shot. Because you will never know whether it worked for you or not, I don't think it works for everybody. But I do think it works for a lot of people. So I think you should make the move. Because sometimes, you know, moving into a new physical space also makes you sort of transition into a different mental space. I don't know if I'm like being very clear about it. But I think that moving to go up being in the environment that I am in now has completely changed the way I think the way I look at life, the way I look at work. And sometimes you need that kind of headspace and moving to God did that for me. So I think sometimes you just need to move into a different space to just enjoy a different way of living and you need to be open minded. You can't say that oh, this is not Bombay, this is not Bangalore, this is not Delhi. It isn't, which is why you've moved. That's important.

Clyde D'Souza  23:08

Yeah, no, I think that's a very important thing that you said, which is I think you weren't clear that physical spaces make all the difference? Because I mean, honestly, even I thought I think I'd rather that work from home was completely overrated, because you know, in at home, you're in a different mind space. I mean, see, like, in my book, cigar, which I've written, I mentioned a lot of these things where I bet I've said that, you know, your physical space matters and how goons are kind of in tune with with physical spaces with nature and all of that. So now someone who has actually done that and moved there and living there. Have you found any of those things happen to you? Like that's why I asked you whether you know, the soul sleeping or the was something that you did? Yeah, so we weren't closer to nature. Do you see the water as part of you anything like that?


I've always been a fan of nature. It's I really enjoy like, a lot of my holidays are also like that. But I think coming to GWA has sort of allowed me to explore things that I feared. I was I wasn't a big fan of the water. I like to be on the beach but as a big fan of, you know, being in the water or being underwater or any of that. And I went quarry diving and that completely changed. You know, and I went surfing and I was I think being in Goa has allowed me to do a lot more than just eat and drink. It allows me to go and explore. It allows me to new experiences. I went e biking on Shadow Island. I have I did like a cocktail workshop. I did pottery. I just think that it allows you to connect to many aspects of you, which you possibly don't know you will enjoy because you may or may not have had access to it or may not have time to look into it. So I feel more connected to myself when I'm in go up because one yes, you're in open spaces. You're spending Sundays on the Beach, you're going to open MP nights, you just have so much access and it's so affordable that anybody can do it.

Clyde D'Souza  25:09

Right. Okay, so that's all the great stuff. What is the one thing that's that gets your bone in the leg? Like what is it that you do not like? About what what's what's kind of like, you know, the thorn in your side when it comes to go?


Oh, wow. I I'm trying very hard to think of something I don't like about being involved. But that team really honestly, I don't think I'm I'm not fibbing. I just can't think of a single thing that I don't like. Yes. Okay. I don't like people honking but then I don't like people.

Clyde D'Souza  25:41

Yes. Can I can I give you a tip? I think Yeah. Thinking more when they see the RG plate. I think that's that's that's a secret among guns. It's like if they see a plate, which is like, you know, okay, not from the city, not from the state. Yeah. All right. Let's give him you know, a bit of a tough time. I just have to ask you, because you mentioned quite a few activities that you've done, that you've done. And there is one very old school activity, which not too many goons do now. But but because of course now you have that portrait and all of that. But have you had a well, water bath? I have not. Oh, it's a you must. Oh my god. I can I do find some find any home that has? Well,


I just take.

Clyde D'Souza  26:26

Yeah, and you have to you have to have it over there. Right. Okay, so, okay, that is. Yeah, it will be an awkward request. But, but maybe they will understand.


You have to do this. I have to do this. I'm going to figure this out. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah,

Clyde D'Souza  26:43

trust me. It's like it's a thing. You should do it because that's, that's what I mean. Like, whenever I go to my ancestral place and go I mean, even though now there is internal plumbing, but it's just the thing to do. And then just very refreshing, and it's fun. You know, it's almost as as good as surfing.


I want to put this on my to do list right on top.

Clyde D'Souza  27:00

Yeah, please do. Great. Yeah. So okay. Now what is the next step for India with India? Do you I mean, right now, there's just there's a lot of like you said, it's a platform, there's, there's guides, and your Instagram, of course, is filled with a lot of beautiful photographs and some videos. But are you branching out more into, let's say, video content that you plan to do? What do you think is the next step with with it?


Yes, you're absolutely right. I think video is the way forward just last month launched a series with urban art, which is a discovery platform for experiences. So Oberon and I have sort of come together to just showcase the different kinds of experiences that you can sign up for. And we're building little videos around that. So that's been new. And that's been fun. I want to look at some serious content writing this year. I want to build some extremely unique guides to some extremely unique destinations in the country. And yeah, I think the focus is that there is no there's no rush to you know, sort of like, build something larger or scale up or any of that I think I don't want to take the fun out of it. That's the only that I think that's the biggest parameter for growth right now that it should still be fun. And I should still not have like a, you know, SWOT hanging over my neck saying that I have to meet this deadline. And I have to do this. I think everything right, it just should happen organically.

Clyde D'Souza  28:28

Right? You want to enjoy the journey. I guess that's what


every moment of it. Wow.

Clyde D'Souza  28:33

So you've so you've grown your roots and go Now would you say that?


Oh, I think it's too soon, but it's just been a year, but I feel like my feet are on the ground. You know, I feel like I'm, I feel very, very connected to where I am.

Clyde D'Souza  28:47

Nice. That's great. Okay, lovely. So now I'm gonna start on my next segment. It's called the sacred secret segment. Okay. Now as you know, say God means peace, quiet relaxation, right? All of those things, which I'm sure you've heard the term a lot now if you've been staying in Goa. So as someone who's moved there, what is your say God secret? What brings you


what brings me so sick? in the literal sense of that 20 minute nap and really, like it is the most blissful thing that one can do in a day and it just changes your just your perspective towards life. Just to have that, but wow. Yeah, I think I've been able to dedicate a lot of time to myself to like, chill with myself. And I think I just find that like the most relaxing experience one can have, you know, which is really great.

Clyde D'Souza  29:48

Nice. Okay. Now my next question has got nothing to do with cigars and nothing to do with go out but it's a question that I like asking a lot of people who have made you know certain moves in life and our agenda Be Creative introspect and have thought of things. So the question is about love. Okay, because I think that's transformative. It gives you purpose in life. It kind of has the power to change your life. Yeah. Right. So I want to ask you, what is the meaning of love to you?


Wow, that's a heavy duty question. Um, I think it's kindness, to be kind to yourself and to be kind to nature and to the universe and to people in your life and people you work with, and things that you have. I think if you can be kind to all of it. I think it directly translates into love for yourself and for others. So yeah, I think that's what it would be.

Clyde D'Souza  30:43

Nice. That is quite simple and nice. All right. Okay, my next round, it's called, it's a rapid fire round, but I have now returned it with the poor for someone else who I interviewed. It's now called ouzo round and also means fire. Right?


I like that. That's

Clyde D'Souza  31:00

yeah, so it's the user. Okay, so I'll ask you like a few questions and you have to like answer like, just one word in one word. replies, right. Okay. Moving to go out, would you do it all over again? Yes. One thing you love about guava and once relaxed pace of life alright, I asked you this but I'll ask again one thing you hate about guava all boys the honking try the number three change reader just all right. All right, where's the best place? Maybe not the co working one that you mentioned. But what's like a good place that you like to work from? Which is not your coworker?


This Felix and underground which has many good area presidents which is a nice thank you.

Clyde D'Souza  31:49

Yeah, that's a lovely place. Okay, nice. All right now that now that you've been in Goa for some time I'm sure you've picked up on some companies you know will ask you that I sent it to the gonna ask you the question. Yeah. What's what's your what's your favorite or company phrase that you maybe know right now and maybe give an example of it say it say it in a sentence. This is something I think I love to say at bars MCE is NACA. I think my favorite right, so my guy snack. I'm okay. Yeah. Okay, so you don't like ice? No. The to do. Okay, that's good enough. So hopefully, hopefully, maybe when we talk again, you'll you'll have picked up on like, as i Great. Well, there was a lot of fun. It was very, very, very fun conversation I really enjoyed. And you've given some really interesting insights, you know, to people who are listening who are all maybe considering, you know, moving either to go out some other city because I think I think that that phase of city living is has run its course. And while of course, no city is ever going to die out. But I think everybody is thinking about about living, maybe in quieter places, maybe in their own hometowns, maybe in their native places or other places like coastal places, or maybe, you know, mountain places. So I think you brought up some really, really great points, and I think it will help the listeners quite a bit. So yeah. Wow, that was very interesting.


It was such a fun chat. I don't know where time has gone, I think. Yeah, I just feel like we just started. It's been so

Clyde D'Souza  33:43

thank you. Okay. Wow. All right, great. So now I'm going to end with, with maybe introducing you to a term which you may or may not have heard, but I always end by saying thank you, of course to for coming on to the sociopaths stories, podcast and morgase one, which means let there be love.


Oh, that's really nice. What is it called? Moga. Mug?

Clyde D'Souza  34:03

Mug means love. Right in company? Yes. Yeah. And are Sunni or are super sweet. Let there be? Yeah. So. So I'll see if I say Moga Sunni and Shia then you can you should also say more of a Sunni client. So yeah, no, that's the neckline Thank you for listening. And I hope you enjoyed this episode of say Susegad Stories From Goa. Do subscribe if you're a new listener and join a community of people who love and live the golden lifestyle. Again, I'm Clyde de Souza and for more go and content you can follow me on Instagram at Clyde D'souza author. This podcast is brought to you by bound a company that helps you grow through stories, follow them and bound India on all social platforms for updates on this podcast or take a look at their other podcasts modal Sunni and see you soon