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India’s first tea sommelier, Snigdha had made it a point to collect the notes and leaves of different teas in trunk which later on became the seed to her ever growing tea business “Tea Trunk”. The Mumbikar embraced the Susegad Lifestyle and is now operating her business from Panjim!
Hear Snigdha tell us how to establish a tea business in Goa and how she got her FSSAI licence? And… Did tribal people actually smoke up tea leaves?
Tune in to find out!
Travel Tip: Don’t forget to try tea brewed with the local well water!
Produced by Aishwarya Javalgekar
Sound edit by Kshitij Jadhav
Brought to you by Bound, a company that helps you grow through stories. Follow us @boundindia on all social platforms for updates on this podcast or take a look at their other podcasts.
Hosted by Clyde D’Souza. He is a creative director who has worked in TV, print, and digital. His book Susegad: The Goan Art Of Contentment captures Goa through conversations, memories, stories, recipes and much more. He lives between Mumbai and Goa and lives the Susegad lifestyle every day! Follow him on Instagram @clydedsouzaauthor.
Susegad Santa is here with another GIVEAWAY!!!
We are collaborating with Tea Trunk and giving 2 lucky winners a Winter Bounty gift box containing Apple Spice Black Tea, Chamomile vanilla Candle and much more! Follow @bound and @clyde across all social media platforms and stay tuned to find out how to enter the giveaway!
India’s first tea sommelier, Snigdha had made it a point to collect the notes and leaves of different teas in trunk which later on became the seed to her ever growing tea business “Tea Trunk”. The Mumbikar embraced the Susegad Lifestyle and is now operating her business from Panjim!
Hear Snigdha tell us how to establish a tea business in Goa and how she got her FSSAI licence? And… Did tribal people actually smoke up tea leaves?
Tune in to find out!
Travel Tip: Don’t forget to try tea brewed with the local well water!
Produced by Aishwarya Javalgekar
Sound edit by Kshitij Jadhav
Brought to you by Bound, a company that helps you grow through stories. Follow us @boundindia on all social platforms for updates on this podcast or take a look at their other podcasts.
Hosted by Clyde D’Souza. He is a creative director who has worked in TV, print, and digital. His book Susegad: The Goan Art Of Contentment captures Goa through conversations, memories, stories, recipes and much more. He lives between Mumbai and Goa and lives the Susegad lifestyle every day! Follow him on Instagram @clydedsouzaauthor.
Hey and don't forget we have a very special SUSE God Santa's giveaway linked to this episode from the trunk. Stay tuned to the conversation and find out more details in the episode description
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this is Sue Seagal stories from guava. I cried de Souza take you deep into guava beyond the beaches and help you live and love the SUSE garden lifestyle no matter where you are.
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Now, here's the code that I just found on the internet. It says no matter where you are in the world, you are at home when t is sold. It's a quote by Otto Earlene gray. She's a tea lover. My guest today has made it her business to make you feel at home. She is India's first certified tea sommelier. She is the owner of guar based tea trunk, a global premium tea brand. Snigdha Manchanda will soon celebrate 10 years of serving all kinds of tea and will soon be launching a gift shop of things made in Guangzhou. She represents a growing breed of entrepreneurs who are enriching and adding to the landscape and dimensions of a place that we know and love called GWA. Welcome, Snigdha. And thank you for coming on to say God stories from GWA podcast. Thanks so much for having me. So I'm really happy to have this conversation with you. Not only because I love tea, because I also like what you're doing with tea trunk. So before I start the entire conversation, I like to think that my listeners enjoy a cup of tea while listening to the podcast. So to make the scene complete for them, can you tell us where in gua you are right now and maybe describe your surroundings a bit. So I'm in pansion. And the heart of pantoum where the abandoned church is, is this neighborhood called Fontein niche. And that's where the tea chunk tea room is set. And this quarters This is also known as Latin Quarters is has a very characteristic architecture also narrow lanes where you can walk by over the last few years become the cultural district of Goa. Yeah, it's the it's become the Instagram district of
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Yes.
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Later I can pronounce font tiny, almost correct.
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But yeah, it's a beautiful place to stay and yeah, it says guys go out and get with it's beautiful heritage looking homes. So yeah. Now let's talk about tea. I learned from Wikipedia that India is not only one of the largest producers of tea but 70% of the tea that is produced is consumed by India and Indians. And I personally like like my tea strong I prefer Assam tea with less milk or drug to see you know, that's that's my kind of cuppa. But before we get into tea trunk and how it all came about, can you tell us what kind of tea do you like? What's your personal favorite? I've over the years learnt to have tea without milk and sugar to appreciate the in its true form for its flavors. And I think while I do love a good cup of masala chai just like how it should be. I've become very fond of Darjeeling tea over the last few years. And my first cup of tea is usually something without milk and sugar. So a light green tea, a leafy fresh, you know, infused with some lemon grass and fresh herbs is a great morning cup for me to start my day. Wow. Just to ask you a personal question. Was it difficult to switch from Masala Chai to like one of these infused teas? Because these like such a strong habit, right? It's like so entrenched, right? Your day won't start without it. So was it difficult to like switch. So the reason why you crave Chai in the morning is for its caffeine content, and all other kinds of tea, whether it's black tea, green tea, white tea do have caffeine content in them. So I think people are more addicted to the sugar in chai tea itself. So if you are looking for switching from Chai to a more healthier alternative, I think Matcha Green Tea is a great choice because it has a good amount of caffeine in it. And that will not give you any sort of caffeine withdrawals if you're if you're worried about it. Oh matcha actually has almost 25 times more caffeine than a cup of green tea. And it can have as much caffeine as a cup of coffee. So if you're truly worried about caffeine, you can just simply switch over to Marcelo green tea and and that will be a healthier alternative to start with. Oh, this is a revelation to me. I didn't know that it was the caffeine that we crave. I thought that you know it's caffeine was
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Always coffee based. But I didn't know that tea also has its fair share of caffeine. And that's interesting. When one thinks of things of GWA generally one thinks of a beverage, which is maybe a cold glass of beer or glass of Finney. Right. But it is true that guns love their beverages and also they love their tea. And the days in complete forgotten without their Chow and their boy and maybe Tsukuba G with it. And now you've been running T drunk. And like you just mentioned, you've now been living in Google for 10 years. And T trunk itself will complete nine years and you will soon celebrate its 10th anniversary, which is amazing. Tell us about this journey. I mean, why T trunk? And what's it all about? Thank you, firstly, and I started T Chang based out in Cuba just purely by accident, it wasn't like a conscious decision to be based out of Cuba. But over the years, I found so many interesting cultural ties to the history that the Portuguese had. And now it all kind of you know, in looking back, I can connect all the dots of why I'm here and how GWA has become home. When I first moved to go and I went to like local families, they would tell me and I would start talking about in your journey, the best cup of tea has nothing to do with the tea leaves, it has to do with water. And if you're not using Well, water, you're not making a good cup of tea, it hits differently. Yes. And I realized that it's so true, because well water has its own mineral contents, right. So when you brew tea with well water, the flavors have a more wholesome mouthfeel and you know, a ritual body it kind of allows for that flavor to bloom. Whereas when you do it with you know, straight tap water or still water, it has a very different flavor. In my first year of moving to Goa, every home I went to I requested that if I could get tea with water, and I think that coming from bombI as a city girl, it was it was one of the small joys of moving to Guam that I really really enjoyed. Right? And did you like drink your tea with like pui and all that and go up when you first moved there. So I was offered a lot of different kinds of cookies biscuits and and of course Portuguese have a have a long tradition of with their bakery and the unique kind of bakes, they do. So, you know, right from the tiny,
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you know, two centimeter wine biscuits, which were actually served at the time. I don't know why they wine. But, but the gallinas and the key. And all the other tea time sheets were delicious. And boy is just the beginning of the breadbasket. Right, you get the country pow.
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I know Konkan and all of them. Yes. So there'll be like a different treat at the time every day. Yeah, that's true. Now you were saying that the trunk came about by accident in I mean, like you landed in Goa by accident. So like, why did you choose, you know, go out to kind of set up shop over there. So I studied tea professionally in 2011. I think back then, you know, the term entrepreneurship was still evolving. So when I wanted to start this tea business, I was looking at getting an fssai license. And at that point in time, the only two states in India that were allowing it online were Delhi and Guam. And I was here visiting a friend who lives in Socorro and I was visiting them and stayed with them briefly. And during that time, I said it's an online form. It's worth taking a shot. Let me just fill it up. And I knew in contrast, in Bombay, I had friends who were waiting like six months to get an fssai license or food license in Bombay. So I just applied this online and a week later while I'm still holidaying in Goa, I get a call that Ma'am, your licenses ready? Would you like to come and collect it? Or please let us know. Bring it to you. And it was really seamless. And I said, Okay, great. I now have a registered business in Guam. So why not just like roll with it. So it was just an accident? is me just taking a it was a long shot that played out in my favor. Amazing. So now everybody's heard of like a wine sommelier and all of that right, but you are the title of being India's first certified tea sommelier right now in the first place. Am I pronouncing Somalia correctly? Or is there a more definitive way of pronouncing it? I think yeah, the French would say Somali Yes.
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Emelia alright let's go with that.
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Yeah, so what is it these familiar and what do you do? I mean, you know, how do you like become certified? What's like the course and yeah, what does it entail? So number one, just like wine, there is an education in tea, which covers tea production, tea, trade wars, the cultural history of tea and food bearings, tea in hospitality. So there are all these aspects of tea which you study, and I specialized in tea blending. So tea blending is the study of the flavor, which, which helps you craft what kind of teas based teas should be blended with what kind of fruits, flowers, herbs, spices, and how do you balance these flavors. So one of the most common myths about tea blending is you buy the most expensive ingredients, put it together and you get the best tea blend. I wish that were true that the real craft of tea blend is in balancing the flavors you know sometimes you don't want to use a good quality ingredients. Say for example, if I'm making a rose and cardamom tea, I don't want to use a very, like you know, strong flavored cardamom. I will choose a lighter scented cardamom so that the flavor of the rose petals don't get overpowered. Okay, yeah, so I think these are the nuances of tea blending and, and these are the nuances that a tea sommelier masters and that has been my training and education and tea. Okay, nice. Now what exactly is a tea? I mean, is it like a brew? Or is it like an infusion? What is it if you have to get down to the basics of it? Very important question, because what's unique about tea is that all types of tea whether it's black tea, green tea, white tea, all of it comes from the same leaves the Camillia sinensis plant. Whereas if you compare it with coffee, the Arabica beans give you Arabica Robusta gives you Robusta. Similarly in wine, the green grape varietals give you a certain kind of wine, the red grapes give you certain kinds of wine, but in tea, there is just one leaf the Camillia sinensis. Oh, which gives you so many different types of teeth. So I had a like a funny moment when I was at a tea plantation with friends and and some one of them turn around to ask that post nigga, you're an expert. Tell me which one is the bush for green tea. And which one is the bush for black tea? Oh, so it's actually just the same leaf, right? Yeah, it's the same plant I mean, you are looking at the same plant and one of those tea leaves the plant to reach the factory. That's where the processing of the tea leaves decides what kind of tea is being produced. So be you know you based on how much you ferment the tea, how much you oxidize the tea will give you different kinds of tea. Oh, interesting. So when you're saying you know, like you just mentioned like a rose and cardamom tea. So that's basically the leaf. But then then there is Rose and cardamom added to it. Yes, so I was referring to a blend. So if I was making like a rose and cardamom blend with green tea, and so how I would balance the rose and cardamom flavors in it right. Another important thing to note is all kinds of tea, which come from the Camillia sinensis plant will always have caffeine in them will have varying amounts of caffeine, but it will always have caffeine content in them. Where it is this new age terminology of tea also covers herbal teas today, and herbal teas, which also known as Dishon, will usually be caffeine free, so they are just infusions of different herbs, fruits, flowers without the base tea and when I say based tea, I'm talking about the Camillia sinensis plant, which could be black tea, green tea, white tea, so Alright, so I think today we we kind of broadly call everything tea. But then there is black tea green tea, which have like caffeine in them. And then there are herbal teas and tea sounds, which are usually caffeine free, right? Okay, so basically, strictly speaking, it needs to have this chameleon leave, right, but now, they've brought basted and even the newer versions of the teas. The infusion ones especially might not even have the Commedia leaf, correct? Correct. Okay. Wow. Okay. I didn't know that. Okay, that's interesting. So you're also telling me about this excellent connection between Portuguese and the T. Story, right? Yeah. So tell us a little bit about that.
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So one of the most intriguing chapters in tea history is that we in India always believed that, you know, the British shows were the ones who brought tea to India, which is actually only half true. I love asking this question or two roomful of people that you know, is tea native to India. And I usually hear that no, of course not the British shows brought tea to India and introduce tea to India. However, there is record that the thing for tribes in Assam had been using and consuming teas for centuries before the British shows introduced the tea bush in India. Oh, however, the simple tribe was not consuming the tea leaves as a beverage, any guesses on what they were doing with their tea leaves, I don't know smoking it up.
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So it was being used in a different way. They just didn't have the technology to turn it into a beverage, the I mean, China had that know how on how to turn the Camilia plant tea leaves into team. And that's what the British shows brought into India. However, the plant, the Camilia plant was always growing wild in India, we were just not consuming it as tea. Oh, that's very interesting. So coming back to the Portuguese connection. So while the plant was introduced to India, by the Britishers, the greatest shows were introduced by the Portuguese. So this is another interesting chapter in history that Princess Catherine Braganza, who was married to a British king, as part of her dowry, she brought tea to into England. And it was her who introduced the concept of afternoon tea, where she would set up like a tea table with very delicate, you know, Portuguese bakes and breads and biscuits and, you know, have this between meal time, right. So the it was actually the Portuguese who introduced tea as a beverage to England, and then thereafter, you know, the, I would say, the popular consumption of tea began, right, so maybe it should not be called English breakfast tea, but Portuguese Breakfast tea.
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There is one and there are different versions of it. Oh, interesting. All right. So now, coming to the slightly business side of you know, of tea trunk? Firstly, can you just tell me about the name? How did you come up with the name, I grew up collecting tees. So friends and family, whoever would travel would bring back to me as a souvenir. And while I was collecting all these tees over the years, I ended up storing them in my dad's vintage trunk. Okay. So many years later, when I decided to start a tea professionally, I named my company tea trunk as a tribute to where my love of tea began. Oh, wow. That's nice. That's sweet. So now, as we can see, you know, like, what's happening with Guava is that there are lots of entrepreneurs coming, they're setting up shop and all of that, right. So what was the kind of journey that you had? And what was some of the ups and downs of setting up a business and go, can you also go there were not many entrepreneurs, or even, you know, people who had moved to go, I think it's a very, very small community, which led me to interact and engage with the local communities a lot for like, I made a lot of local friends. I ended up spending more time with my neighbors, you know, getting a bottle of homemade wine from them on Christmas. So I think those relationships that I built early on and made inroads into the local communities really helped me today because now 10 years later, I when I see you know, the recent influx of people who move to GWA and trying setting up businesses, I think they are finding it challenged with resources because it either you know, hanging out sick bombI people have hanging off bombI people deli people are hanging out with deli people I think that integration into the local community or just interacting or having the opportunity to create bonds with the locals here has been very limited. And I see that as one of
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The main points of differentiation in in the way that I wanted to build T Chun even in those early days, I could reach out to a lot of local support. And, in fact, I think my advice to people who are moving to GW, I think it's very important to build some relationships with the local culture. And I mean, I'm talking about like, meaningful emotion into the culture and being part of the local communities is very important. Right? So what was the what was one of the few things that you did do? Do you remember any kind of memory or an anecdote? You know, while setting up the business? I think, one, I had to find an office and a warehouse. And, you know, coming from Bombay, you have this ecosystem that you actually just tell a broker and they find your place. Right, right. But your inquire, like, the kind of place that I wanted in the budget that I wanted it, I literally drove around the neighborhood. And, you know, if I wanted a place in Porter room, or if I wanted in Panama, just drove around, ask the neighbors is this, I like this place? Do you know, who's the owner? Can you share the number? And literally, that's what that's how I find found my first warehouse. And I realized that people were so forthcoming, they were very helpful in sharing the contacts, I think, something like this in a city people would be very suspicious, you know, sharing numbers. Yeah. But everyone was like, Oh, I know that neighbor. Okay, but that one is also empty, go and ask her also, you know, it was like, everyone knows everyone in the village. So it was very easy finding a place like that, right? Generally, the feeling is that Goa is quite a welcoming, hospitable place, and you know, open to kind of outsiders or tourists and visitors and all of that. Now, even as an as a woman, entrepreneur, especially as a woman entrepreneur, maybe some of the things that you faced was that did you find like a different vibe in Goa itself, when in the way people interacted with you or, you know, in your business dealings and all of that? Absolutely not, I feel as compared to other cities, or even as compared to Bombay, where I've grown up, I found that there was much less judgment on who I was what I was doing, I always found a lot of encouragement and in terms of like, setting up the business, or we just set up a tea room and Fanta niche this year. And as you know, that's like a really popular neighborhood. So if you know, finding a place, there was not easy, working out the paperwork, all of that. But I found that everyone in in that sense, because a good again, going back to the relationships that I've built over the last 10 years, and having access to, you know, the local community and resources really helped me and I think as a woman, oh, I wouldn't say in GWA, specifically, because the as an industry is very male dominated, you know. So very often when I would be in tea tasting rooms, I would be the only woman in the room because there aren't any. Or maybe there are very few tea tasters as women in India today. In fact, the first few times, I went up to a tea garden and shared that I'm a tea taster, I'm looking to set up this tea business, I was actually put to test I was given like three, four cups of teas, and I was asked to face them and share my notes. And you know, it, I'm talking about like 2011. So it took me a lot of time to convince people that I'm in it for the right reasons. And I'm skilled enough to do this. So I wouldn't say that unit specific to kua. I feel. In fact, on the contrary, in Goa, there was much less judgement. Like I felt extremely comfortable walking into the fssai license, even today, when we have any concerns. I feel much, much more approachable than like, I can't imagine doing this in Bombay, where I would walk alone into an fssai office and get anything done by myself. Right. Yeah, that's amazing. Now, the other thing that you know, that's happening right now, of course, is that everybody who's anybody wants to move to go wants to live there, they want to maybe set up a business there or they want to retire or the they want to go there for the lifestyle. So now you've seen all of that, you know, not only did you move there 10 years ago, but you've also set up a business now you're part of the community. What is the kind of advice that you would offer someone and what do you think is it is it cut out? You know, is it all that it was made out to be in your head? Or you know, was there some kind of ups and downs about it? So I chose GWA also because as a business owner as an
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entrepreneur, one of your main goals is to have greater control over your free time. And then in Bombay, I ended up finding myself at malls or the movies over the weekend. And that was just not fun. Whereas in Goa over the weekends, or in my free time, I have opportunity to be at the beach or be on a forest walk or go on a hike or earn a trail. So I think people were moving to Cuba either for lifestyle or for, you know, having an alternative lifestyle should be very prepared for this slow pace of life, you know, right from the internet connection to getting things, you know, done hiring team building a team, like even if you want to get a safety pin at 2pm. And the shop is closed, you cannot you cannot read over it because that is the law of the land. Yeah. So I think people who are moving here shouldn't be prepared for the slow life. I, you know, recently I've seen people getting frustrated about it that, you know, oh, my god, I can't get anything done. But I mean, that's the whole reason why we moved chose for the slower life. So why not embrace it? It's a very interesting thing that you said, because everybody wants to escape the kind of encodes rat race and this one dimensional thing about just, you know, partying on the weekends or going to a mall or to a movie, what are some of the things that you've kind of now, you know, started engaging with like, like you mentioned, there's so many other things that you do this anything that you've picked up, you know, you know, which helped kind of enrich your life and your lifestyle. I think I've started spending more time on the beach being more beach being more accessible. Just this year, I learned Animal Flow, which is a new form of no and I learned the hula hoop. And all of this happens on the beach. So you know, you can even when you're on a walk, you see a group of people, you can walk up to them and inquire if you'd like to join, you're most welcome. There is a slackline group that happens that practices in in pendulum so I think it's been very enriching to participate in these outdoor activities to spend more time in nature. And I think that's been one of my top three reasons to move to go out and what I really really value. speaking a little bit more about T Town Can you tell me like what are the kinds of teas that I could get there and what do you pair it with? What are the kinds of snacks that one can enjoy? So we are focusing a lot more on experiences around tea so we have a Portuguese high tea, which serves traditional Portuguese snacks with three sois fish cones Bolinas and bolo Sastra bar which is a specific type of cake. So we do a very traditional Portuguese high tea and with unlimited servings of teas and which serves to people's it's great whether you want to like you know, just spend hours walking around and then you know, come back for a bite here at teacher corners. We also do a signature high tea which is our interpretation of the classic British High tea, which has some of our signatures, snacks and our old gray cookies, and a blue pea flour lemonade, which is extremely popular among locals here in Guam. So you can either like sign up for these high teas or you can just walk in and enjoy boy sandwiches or our camo my cupcake and Earl Grey teas keys we're also working on like on interesting tea infused desserts so that's a special oh nice but if you had to convert me from me drinking my regular some tea, what would that conversion be and what tea would you convert me to? So number one if you're drinking Assam tea I think it's a great choice it's known for its like multi robust flavors. I think it's a great way stronger. Yes, I wouldn't change that. If you're drinking Masala Chai I would encourage you to try different kinds of teas, especially without milk and sugar because that's when you're able to taste all the flavor notes of tea. You know, milk and sugar are usually for masking the flavors of low grade tea. Oh, and that's how it was originally introduced like the dust the tea does, which is the lowest grade of E was you know, cooked with milk and sugar so that it becomes palatable. But when you're drinking like whole leaf teas if you're drinking like a holy Assam tea, Darjeeling tea or any other green tea blend, Please taste it without milk and sugar first and I'm very confident that if you're sipping good quality teas, you would not feel the need to
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Add milk and sugar to it. Super. Now you've also launched like a gift store right at the trunk where one can buy things which are like made in go buy guns. So tell us a little bit about that. So when we started the tea room, everything there was upcycle, or repurposed or thrifted. So this was originally our office. And during 2020, since everyone started working remotely, we had this space, and we converted into a tea room and a gift shop. So we literally repurposed everything that we had. And once we finished doing that, we realized that we need, you know, some art on the walls. And that's when we reached out to some local artists based and homegrown talent of Guam. And they offered to, you know, help us with their pieces to a donor wall. So when we started collaborating with local talent, we also realize that oh, they're making such interesting things and you don't really see them all in one place. So the team have made and go our gift shop is literally that everything is needed. Gwah or made by a goon artisan or a go and crafts person. So you can find like handcrafted soaps, candles, because clothing, you know, ceramics, the list is very long. Yeah, full disclosure, my book. Yes.
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Your book is available at the gift shop. Yeah, super. So yeah, the gift shop also seems like a very nice addition to the entire T trunk. And it's it seems to be like a vibe where you kind of just go chill out, hang out, you sip your tea, maybe read a book. And then enjoy some nice snacks along with it. And I liked this whole concept that you said that where it's basically unlimited, or you know, you can just keep drinking as many cups of tea so you can go have a walk around, and then come back again and have another cup of tea. That's a nice concept. Thank you. All right. Now my next segment is a fun segment. A lot of people our listeners love it. Right? So it's, it's the rapid fire round the user round as we like to call it. So question one is, what's your favorite morning tea? Marigold, lemongrass, green tea. Oh, nice. One go and habit that you've picked up, literally sit outside in the bulk hour in the evening. And do not think like idle time. Nice. All right now for a good what's a great night place that you'd like to go to? Or that you'd like to go to rather I think walking around punching church and you can either, you know, dine in at Fontein Nish lots of like, hole in the wall places and interesting like gourmet places there. But I also like just walking around Casa de alta and in the evenings and then there'll be some god knows where you can get some lit even like eat in the hour. I think that's a really nice outing in Punjab. So what's like your favorite go and phrase or term that you may have picked up? My favorite go and phases? Poeta when I was like hiring people working with them, even today, if I ask somebody that can you please do this? The answer is not yes or no. If the answer is boy,
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like I'll get to it. In other words, yeah, so it's never sure you don't make that's what I've learned over the years that when you ask somebody to do something, the answer is not yes or no. It will be like like, so I've also learned not to commit to anything for itself. You embraced it. That's great. Yeah. All right. Now another thing that you just said that you're going to embrace everything that's going on, and a lot of people want to embrace the slow life the quiet life which is of course what so say God is so what what, what is bringing us to say God and go Ah, my personal tea time. I think the few minutes in the day where I prepare my pot of tea is literally the moment where everything dulls down. It's almost a meditation for me. So I think that what I've learned that even a small pot of tea those few minutes of quiet in a day can bring such contentment and rejuvenation. Nice, well said. I mean yeah, I can't imagine a better way to get cigars into your life. So Snigdha thank you for introducing us to so many varieties and a whole different T world it's like a rabbit hole that one can kind of go down and the trunk really does sound exciting. I'm waiting to visit myself and hopefully I'll be there soon suspect that this was a very good conversation. I really enjoyed it and I think our listeners will be waiting to you know, check out the various teas that you have there. So yeah, thank you and Maga Sue thank you thanks for having me
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